The Real Anthony Fauci: A Special Interview With Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

The Real Anthony Fauci:

A Special Interview With Robert F. Kennedy Jr. By Dr. Joseph Mercola

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Welcome everyone. This is Dr. Mercola, helping to take control of your health. And today, we are joined by Bobby Kennedy, who really needs no introduction. If you’ve been following this space, he’s been a real activist in promoting environmental issues, but also more recently with the vaccine issue, so we’ve both been number one and number two in the “Misinformation Dozen.” And we both had the privilege of being censored by – actually, banned from YouTube’s platform, for not breaking any rule except one they invented the day they banned us. We had no strikes, nothing. Boom, they removed 20 years of my content, or 15 years, whatever it was. Because we were with them from the beginning, and also of Bobby’s.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

And I’m just really delighted that Bobby wrote the forward to my book, which is “The Truth About COVID-19”, which did really, really well, thanks to all the discrediting. But Bobby’s got a new book coming out, “The Real Anthony Fauci.” And it is unbelievable. He’s spent many, many hours, really dedicated a big portion of his life to doing the investigative journalism, and pulling out the details. And this is a book you’ve got to get. So we’re going to talk a little bit about it, but I can assure you with the highest degree of confidence that we could talk for hours, and hours, and hours, and not cover but a fraction of what’s in this book. It is a long book, detailed. It’s one that’s going to keep your attention, and you’ll really love and enjoy it. So I would strongly recommend it.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

But we’re going to touch the highlights, because we don’t have a lot of time. And we’ll do the best we can. So welcome, and thank you for joining us today.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Thank you, Joe. Thanks. Most of the time, you do interviews with people who have not read the book, and I know we were sending you chapter by chapter, as I finished, and you were the first one to read it, and you read it all the way through. I mean, it is a very long book. I think 2,000 notes in it, 2,000 references. And just a lot of detail, that is a very devastating indictment of Tony Fauci and his career, the way that he has essentially made NIH (National Institutes of Health) an incubator for pharmaceutical products, and sold us, all of our country, to the pharmaceutical industry.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

I don’t know that there’s any better indictment against Fauci than the book you’ve written. I’m certain there’s many articles, but a completely comprehensive, detailed reference. Incredibly well referenced record of his history of decimating human health, in spite of his charade of being a charlatan, of being this ostensible public health do-gooder, that’s out to save humanity, he’s doing the exact opposite. So there’s so many places where you can start. I’ll let you pick where you

want to. And I particularly enjoyed the context you put him in, comparing him to Rockefeller, and putting that all in. Because Rockefeller kind of started this over a century ago, and Fauci’s picking up where he left off.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Yeah. Rockefeller was, he basically – this was a time when his oil interests had made him the richest person in world history. He’s still the richest person in world history. If you look at his wealth compared to everybody else who lived on the planet at that time, he owned about 80% of the oil production on the planet. And they realized at one point that pharmaceutical products could be synthesized from the byproducts of their refinery process. His father, Johnny’s father, Devil Bill Rockefeller, I guess you would call it a medicine show.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

The true snake oil salesman.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Who actually was hocking literally snake oil, and a lot of opium-based products, and alcohol- based products, that allowed people to drink, to get drunk, to get high on medicine. And Johnny Rockefeller, threw himself into the act, and he commissioned Andrew Flexner across the country to all the medical schools. And at that time, about half the medical schools in the country were integrative medicine, they were osteopaths, they were homeopathy, naturopathy. They did a lot of herbs and traditional medicine. And it was really an American science. And Flexner, I’m sure there were lots of problems with that kind of medicine, like Flexners in every kind of medicine. And I’m sure they were there too. Flexner actually went across the country and did a report that said that everything should be based on pharmaceutical products, on the kind of products that were being made by Rockefeller’s partners. He had huge stakes of pharmaceutical companies. And they transformed all – they got rid of all those schools of the chiropractors, osteopaths, naturopaths, homeopaths. And they integrated all medical schools into the pharmaceutical paradigm.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

He did that at the same time in China. And the Rockefeller name is still very, very big in China. I think he started 12 medical schools and hospitals in China. And he did the same thing, he tried to transfer traditional Chinese medicine and to get the Chinese to adopt the pharmaceutical paradigm. And in many ways, it’s like [inaudible 00:06:24] Bill Gates and Tony Fauci are the apogee of that trajectory. And they have – Bill Gates summons Tony Fauci to his Seattle, Washington mansion on the banks of Lake Washington in the year 2000, and brought him into his life, a very private being, and said to him, “I want to be partners with you.” And their partnership was an agreement to vaccinate the entire population of the world with a battery of new vaccines. And in 2009, they rebranded their partnership [inaudible 00:07:09] the vaccine, and the objective of that crusade was to have mandatory vaccination for every adult and child on the planet by the year 2020.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

And I show how they use the pandemic simulations, working very, very closely with the intelligence agencies, with the social media companies, with the big media companies, and with the major pharmaceutical companies to make that happen. And Gates calls what he does philanthropy capitalism, you can use philanthropy to make money. He had a foundation that is where he has sheltered $50 billion in tax-free money. And he continues to have absolute control over it. And he uses that money to gain control of public health agencies in our country, WHO (World Health Organization). He’s created a lot of his own with Dr. Fauci and a lot of these quasi-governmental agencies, that people think are governmental. They’re actually front groups of the pharmaceutical industry like [inaudible 00:08:16] collaboration.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

And he uses this battery and this control of WHO to set pharmaceutical or medical policy, public health policy around the globe, in a way that maximizes the profits from his stake-holding in these big pharmaceutical companies. I show also in a very [inaudible 00:09:02] way, he’s simultaneously doing the same thing to control the global food supply. GMO crops, and huge investments in Cargill, [inaudible 00:09:13] Monsanto, processed foods like Kraft, McDonald’s, Coca Cola. He’s the biggest investor. And really trying to change both public health and food policies, in ways that benefit corporations that he’s invested in and that he’s partnered with.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. So thank you for summarizing that, but the book goes into far more detail with respect to the history of Fauci. Because he didn’t just turn evil when he met Gates. He had a three-decade history prior to Gates, and you document that quite extensively, especially with the HIV. I mean, this is no mystery. This is essentially a repeat play button that he’s done with HIV what he’s doing here, just in bigger scale. So why don’t you [crosstalk 00:10:05] if you know that history, it’s no surprise.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Yeah, the HIV, he had just taken over the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID). And at that time, AIDS hit in 1981, the first cases surfaced. Because the first signal of AIDS was Kaposi’s sarcoma, which was a skin cancer that afflicted gay men, the project went – the whole AIDS program went to the National Cancer, a separate institute inside HHS (Human Health Services). And when Dr. Robert Gallo in 1983, and Luc Montagnier said, “Wait a minute, this may be caused by a virus. An HIV virus.” Because originally, everybody believed it was caused by [inaudible 00:11:02], and by the use of these psychotropic drugs, or Methedrine, of heroin, LSD and other drugs, but particularly [inaudible 00:11:14] that were part of the gay party scene after Stonewall. And all of the people, the original people who were diagnosed with Kaposi’s sarcoma, every one of them was a very, very extensive [inaudible 00:11:27] user.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

So the original assumption was that this was a chemical problem, and it had a chemical etiology. And when Luc Montangier at Robert Gallo said, “No, we found this virus in many of the people who have AIDS.” I think there were 47% of them. And that was an opportunity for Tony Fauci, because he was able to have a battle with National Cancer Institute and say, “This is a viral disease, therefor it’s an infectious disease and it’s under my jurisdiction.” He was able to win that

program away. The same year that billions of dollars began flowing into HIV. And he had to create the agency, really, from the ground up. And the way that he did it was to partner with Burroughs-Wellcome company, which made AZT. AZT was a chemotherapy formulation, that was so toxic it killed all the rats when they gave it to them. That the inventor of AZT felt that it was unsafe for any human use, and he didn’t even patent it.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

And very early on, the National Cancer Institute found out that when you put AZT in a culture of HIV that it killed the HIV. Not surprisingly, it killed anything it touched. And so, Tony Fauci partnered with Burroughs-Wellcome, literally he became a partner. And he guided that formulation through the regulatory process, and he tried to very, very fast-track it. He cheated terribly on the clinical trials. The clinical trials, it was killing everybody. It literally kills everybody who takes it. But he was able to keep the people in the placebo group, or he was able to keep the people in the treatment group alive by giving them huge numbers of transfusions, blood transfusions. It does keep them alive for the eight weeks of that trial continuum. And based upon that eight week trial, he got approval, it was unprecedented, of that drug. And as [inaudible 14:01] who won the Nobel Prize for discovering [inaudible 00:14:03] said, with any chemotherapy drug, you’re supposed to give it to somebody for two weeks. And chemotherapy is designed to kill every cell in the body, but hopefully it kills tumor cells first, and you can take

the person off it. The tumor dies, if you time it right, and the person doesn’t die.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

If you put somebody on that for life, like Tony Fauci was doing, every one of them is going to die. And that’s what happened. And meanwhile, there was a lot of drugs at that time that were repurposed [inaudible 00:14:42]. Like aerosol [inaudible 00:14:43], many, many others. Local, community-based doctors in San Francisco and New York, who were treating the AIDS community, were finding that these drugs treated the symptoms of AIDS, and they stopped people from dying. [crosstalk 00:15:01] Tony Fauci made a deliberate crusade to sabotage those, to make sure they were not available to sick people, in order to make sure that AZT would be the only solution. And AZT was the most expensive drug in history. It was $10,000 for a one-year dose. And Burroughs-Wellcome, which later became GlaxoSmithKline, doubled in size, because of that.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

And Tony Fauci basically created this template that he would then use over the next 45 years, to develop drug after drug, toxic drug after toxic drug. He killed early treatment, and he killed any protocol that competed with his pharmaceutical enterprise. And a lot of people have died.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah, well it’s more than a lot. It’s 330,000 people dead from AZT alone. That’s what you wrote in the book. And additionally, the cost of that drug – the analogies or similarities between that scenario and what’s happening today are almost identical. Fauci discouraged the use of the drugs, as you mentioned, specifically ones that treat Kaposi’s sarcoma, but also pneumocystis carinii pneumonia where simple drugs like Bactrim would work really well, but he discouraged it. And they were inexpensive and relatively non-toxic. But it’s similar to the ways he’s discouraging

Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine. But the cost, $10,000 for a treatment, for that drug, for AZT. It cost them $5. Five dollars. And my guess is, although I don’t recall reading it in the book, and you may know, is that the research that supported the development of that drug, was probably paid for by the U.S. taxpayer.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Yeah. The entire development of that drug was financed through the National Cancer Institute. At one point, the CEO of Glaxo wrote an editorial, because people were [inaudible 00:17:15] saying, “Why is this costing us $10,000, when it’s only $5 for them to develop the dose, and they’re selling it for $10,000?” [crosstalk 00:17:24] very, very self-congratulatory editorial in The New York Times, saying the usual stuff that pharmaceutical industry says it doesn’t [inaudible 00:17:36] these outrageous prices, which is, “We spent hundreds of thousands of dollars developing these drugs and it’s a crapshoot,” that many of them don’t work. And it’s hard [inaudible 00:17:46] get approval. The director then of NCI published a letter to the editor, saying, “Wait a minute. Here’s what the taxpayer paid for. Everything. And Burroughs- Wellcome did nothing.” And not only that, but Burroughs-Wellcome would not even test the drug, because it was terrified of handling HIV.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

So it told the people at HHS, the government agency, “Do not send any samples over to us. You do it yourselves.” So the taxpayer paid for everything, and Burroughs-Wellcome, all they did, because of Tony Fauci, all they did was cash in. And they killed a huge, huge number of people.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. And he’s upped his game. “So a third of a million people? I can do better than that.” Because he repeated the same damn behavior with the vaccines, the jabs for COVID. Which essentially is the same scenario. That is taxpayer-funded research, and I believe the last projections I saw are an estimate of $100 billion in profits from those jabs. In one year, in one year. And this is going to be a semi-annual, ever six-month booster requirement. And no liability, zero liability and [crosstalk 00:19:13]

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

[inaudible 00:19:13] I have another chapter that basically is the same thing. It’s all about everything in Tony Fauci’s career is “Groundhog Day.” Again, and again, and again, he is repeating the same behavior and it is paying off. And he has [inaudible 00:19:40] manner and this way of talking, where he never really says anything. And this habit of just lying, and lying, and lying. But people believe him, because he – people call him Teflon Tony. He can make mistake after mistake [inaudible 00:19:58] never fail. I knew a lot about him about the inside of what happened during the HIV crisis, because my uncle, Teddy Kennedy, was chair of a health committee at that time. And Teddy was the first presidential candidate to court the gay vote. And I was running for his campaign at that time, and I campaigned in the [inaudible 00:20:23] with Teddy. He was the first presidential candidate ever to go into the [inaudible 00:20:28], and to go door to door, shake hands, make speeches, do [inaudible 00:20:33]. And invite the gay community into mainstream American life.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

And in the health committee, his primary concern for most of the time was AIDS. He recruited the first openly gay Chief of Staff, Terry Berne. And the first staff member on Capitol Hill for a decade, who openly had HIV. And he ran. And they were at constant odds with Tony Fauci, trying to get him to use repurposed medicines. And I talk about this in my book. And finally, Tony Fauci was called in front of Congress, and was just fileted. And there’s a dialogue of what – Nancy Pelosi was one of the people who, when Henry Waxman and all of these well-known Democratic congressmen were saying, “What the hell are you doing? You’ve produced nothing. You’re totally incompetent.” And after that, his career was over. And he decided at that point, “Okay, I’m going to work on getting these repurposed drugs on the market.” And he did that for a couple of years, and he had a project, which was a dual-track project where they could, without going through the clinical trials and FDA (Food and Drug Administration) randomized, placebo- controlled trials, they could get approval for these drugs, so that people could get insurance for them and pay for them. And he named that, Fauci named that after Terry Berne, my uncle’s aide.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

So I was sort of deeply involved in this for many, many years, and I’ve known Tony Fauci for a long time. And I have insights on who he really is, that most liberal Democrats are utterly ignorant of. They look at him, they think he is the savior, he’s the steady hand during the chaotic Trump administration and was pro-science. And he is the opposite of everything they believe. He is the architect, who turned our public health system over to the pharmaceutical industry. When Tony Fauci came to office in 1968, the chronic disease rate in American children was 6%. By 2006, it was 54%. He does not do public health. And there is no metric at NIH, where they look and they say, “We are improving public health.” The only metric they have is, “How many vaccines have we given? How many pharmaceutical drugs have we sold? How much back money are we getting back into the agency?” And as I explain in the book, this agency has become an incubator for the pharmaceutical industry.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

What Tony Fauci does with that $6.1 billion budget that he gets from the taxpayer, and then another $1.6 from the military to do bioweapons research, which is where 68% of his salary comes from weapons research. And that’s why he had to do that gain-of-function shenanigans in Wuhan. He had to do it, because he had to hold on to his salary. And most of his salary comes from the military, and from bioweapons research. But the rest of that money, Congress intended him to study American health, and to improve it. To try to eliminate infectious allergic diseases, and autoimmune diseases. But instead, under his watch, the chronic disease epidemic exploded. And he controls, between him and Gates and Wellcome Trust, which is the U.K. version of the Gates Foundation, they control – by the way, Wellcome Trust is the stock portfolio for Burroughs-Wellcome, the company that made AZT, is now GlaxoSmithKline.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

And between those three entities, and they all work in tandem, they talk to each other constantly, they’re all friends, deep, personal confederates or cronies I would say. They control 63% of the biomedical research on earth. But the fact is, they really control all of it. Because not only do they fund it, but they have the capacity to cut off funding. If there is somebody who wants to do

what Tony Fauci’s supposed to do, listen, you’re in my generation, Joe. The autism rate is 1 in 10,000. You will never meet a 67-year-old man with a football helmet, with diapers, non-toilet trained, non-verbal, head-banging, [inaudible 00:25:30] walking, full blown autism. I’ve never seen somebody like that my age. In my kids’ generation, 1 in 22 boys looks like that. Why did that happen?

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

When Congress said to the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency), “Tell us what year the autism epidemic began,” the EPA said, “It’s a red line, 1989.” Something happened at 1989, that brought us food allergies, peanut allergies, Tourette’s Syndrome, narcolepsy, ticks, ADD, ADHD, speech delay, language delay, rheumatoid arthritis, autoimmune diseases like juvenile diabetes. All of them are in an epidemic, beginning around 1989. Tony Fauci’s job is to say, “Why did that happen?” It has to be an environmental toxin. Genes don’t cause epidemics. They provide the vulnerability, but they cannot cause an epidemic. You need an environmental toxin. All we have to do is figure out which one started in ’89, and became ubiquitous the same year.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Tony Fauci, if anybody tries to do that study, their career will be ruined. And we know what it has to be. It has to be either the vaccines, which exploded in ’89, and by the way, every one of those 170 chronic diseases that all went epidemic beginning in 1989 is listed as a side effect on the manufacturers inserts for those vaccines. So that’s a prime suspect. There’s other things that happened. Glyphosate happened and became ubiquitous-

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

But that’s most of the ’90s. That was mostly the ’90s.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

What?

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

That was mostly the ’90s, [inaudible 00:27:11]. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Yeah, ’90s is really when it became ubiquitous. It started in ’73 thought. [crosstalk 00:27:18] Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah, a small amount.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

They started marketing it, but it was small. It got huge in ’93, when they invented Roundup Ready corn. And it got put on everything, when they began doing the genetic manipulation. Neonicotinoid pesticides, cell phones-

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Cell phones really wasn’t [crosstalk 00:27:38] The smart phone was 2010, but what the key thing, the key here is 1986, when they passed the Child Adverse Reactions Liability Act. It allowed them immunity against prosecution.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Exactly. And that’s why, in ’89, the vaccine schedule exploded. Because [crosstalk 00:27:56] gold rush. But there was also – you also have ultrasound, which shares the same timeline. PFOAs, which are inflammatories. Our kids are swimming around in a toxic soup. And it could be all of those things, it could be one or another, but it’s easy to find out. You just do the science. And that science is easy to do, but it will never be done, as long Tony Fauci’s in office because he doesn’t want us to know. Because those are the industries he has survived by protecting.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. And then, in your book, you cite a statistic that I’ve just been astonished with, and many of the interviews I’ve done since I’ve read that, I include it and put a plug for your book in. Because you say that at the time, it was $930 billion with a B, that he’s been responsible for distributing through the NIAID. I’m sure it’s over one trillion dollars now. One trillion dollars.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Yeah. And the amount of money [inaudible 00:28:59], as I said, it began in 2000 when we had the anthrax attacks. We signed a biological weapons treaty, chemical weapons treaty in ’72. So the Pentagon was not allowed to do biological weapons research. But after the anthrax attacks, they wanted to do it very badly, but they didn’t want to do it from the Pentagon because it would look like weapons research. But there was a loophole in the treaty that said, “If you are doing dual-use research, in other words you’re doing research to develop biological weapons, but they also could be applicable to developing vaccines, then you can do it.” So they were reluctant to do it in the Pentagon, but they began funneling all the money to Tony Fauci to do it, and he really became part of the military at that point. And he began doing this bioweapons research, and they gave him a 68% raise because of his authority over the bioweapons research. And because of that, they give him $1.6 billion a year.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

And so, to hold on to that funding stream, to hold on to his salary, he has got to do gain-of- function. Gain-of-function has never provided a single scientific or medical development that has assisted us in responding to pandemics. Not one. But Fauci continues to do it, because it is critical to his salary. And it’s critical to that funding stream. He continues to do that to get that funding stream from DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) and BARDA (Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority) and from the Pentagon.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Well, it would sound like a lot of money, and he is the most highly paid federal employee, like far ahead of the President.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

He gets $437,000 a year, and the President, who is the next highest, is $400,000.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah, so he’s the highest paid federal employee. To me, that seems a relatively small amount, when you consider the other dollar values involved. Because there’s patents, and there’s – when you’re distributing a trillion dollars, all you need is a small fraction of that. And he’s a smart guy. One thing you cannot take away, is he’s an incredible politician, and he’s really smart and clever. You can certainly question his ethics and integrity. But he’s, it seems to me, smart enough to figure out how to hide this. So the $400,000 may be a small fraction of what he’s really earning every year.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Well, I was not able to find any money that he is getting outside of that. Now, he’s won millions of dollars in awards. The Israeli government gave him I think a million dollars. And so, he has a lot of other funding streams. But I don’t really – I think it is important to understand that most people, people like that, like him, and even like Gates, they’re not really interested in currency. Nobody really cares about how much cash money you have. People accumulate money because they want power. And his agency gets the money from the patents. We know he has at least one patent on interferon. And that information is almost impossible to get. But that patent gives him about $150,000 a year. And he’s claimed for a long time that he gives that money to charity, but nobody knows what charity he gives it to, and of course the press never asks him anything, and he never says.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

But what he does – let me tell you how important he is to the pharmaceutical industry. Between 2009 and 2016, there are about 230 drugs approved by the FDA, all of which came out of his shop. And so, he is an incubator for pharma. And here’s what he does. At his lab, he has petri dishes filled with every virus, [inaudible 00:33:27] virus, dengue virus, coxsackievirus, Zika, Ebola, flu, coronavirus. And he has scientists that are messing around with different molecules and different poisons, and they’ll drop those poisons into a Petri dish and see if it kills the culture. If it kills the culture, then he has a potential antiviral drug.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

So the next step is, they give it to rats, and see if it kills the rats. And if most of the rats survive, now you have a potential antiviral that may work in humans. So then, he farms it out to a big university. Now the university, the person it goes to at the university is usually a very powerful person at the university. It’s the dean of the medical school, or the chair of one of the departments, and they run the clinical trials, which is extremely lucrative. So they will do the phase one trial there, and they’ll recruit maybe 100 people for the phase [two] trial. Fauci gives that PI, that principal investigator, maybe $20,000 per recruit. The university skims off 50% to 75% of that. So now, that university is now hooked into the system.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Then, if it works in phase one and phase two, then they have to bring in big groups of people, 10,000 people. And you’re talking about hundreds of millions of dollars. And they have to bring in a pharmaceutical company that now takes control of about half the patent. Tony Fauci’s agency keeps a share of the patent, and they can now collect royalties on Moderna vaccine. They

get half the royalties, and they’re getting billions of dollars. The university researcher keeps some of the patent, so he is now permanently attached to Tony Fauci, and will do anything what he says. And the university itself is getting some of that patent. So it’s hundreds of millions of dollars that are going to these universities every year, in addition to the grants that he’s giving. And he can cut all that off, if somebody at the university does the wrong study.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

And then it has to go back and go through, once it goes through phase three, it goes to FDA. And he says, “Well those are independent scientists at FDA.” The panel is called VRBPAC (Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee), and they’re not people who work for the FDA. They’re outside persons who are brought in. Well, where are they brought in from? They’re Tony Fauci’s PIs from all the other universities, who are working on his other projects. And they’re brought in to rubber stamp whatever drug is coming from Baylor University that week. And they okay it, and give it a license. Because they know that next year, their drug is going to be in front of that committee, and they are going to want the committee to rubber stamp them. So, that committee never says no. It always green lights everything, and it’s completely controlled by Fauci. He controls the whole process. [crosstalk 00:36:48]

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Sorry for interrupting you, but we just have a classic illustration of what you just shared, in that this week, that very committee 17-0, unanimously approved the COVID jab for 5- to 11-year- olds. And you’ve written some brilliant articles on it this week, and I thank you for doing it, exposing the truth of this nonsense implementation and approval.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Yeah and [crosstalk 00:37:09] Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Recommendation for approval.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

And if you look at the pedigree of those people who sit on the committee, you will see that they have conflicts of interest. They’re accepting money from the pharmaceutical companies, they’re accepting money from – Congress, in one report, said 97% of them are getting money from pharmaceutical companies whose products they are approving. They’re getting money from NIH. They’re getting money from Gates. And they’re completely bought and owned. And they’re not independent scientists at all. These are the same people you see on CNN every night, Peter Hotez, Paul Offit, Art Kaplan, Stanley Perlman, all of these people who are supposed to be experts, who are independent experts. They’re not independent experts. Every expert you see on CNN is on Tony Fauci’s payroll. And CNN will never tell you that. It will say, “This is an independent virologist, he’s an immunologist at Baylor University, or Stanford, or Harvard.” And they’re not telling you where that guy’s bread is being buttered. And that the person who’s buttering it is Tony Fauci, with your taxpayer dollars. The whole system is just fixed.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

And people in this country feel – there’s a certain group, 33% of the people in this country, who are very angry. And the reason they’re angry is not because they have to wear a mask, and it’s not even because they have to get vaccines. It’s because they feel they’re being manipulated. They’re being lied to, their democracy has been subverted, and it’s been stolen from them.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

So thank you for sharing that, and within the last few weeks, there’s been a – your book, I mean you started writing it a while ago, certainly last year. But it’s emerging, all these lies are coming out, and there’s a significant portion of the alternative media at least, that’s calling for Fauci’s resignation because of his lying, he’s just caught in all these things, the lab origin theory that he was promoting, and his double takes, and continually shifting the goalposts. So I’m wondering what your perspective on it, because you’ve done such a deep dive. What do you think the likelihood of his resigning? Is it probably close to impossible?

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

No, I think it’s 100% that he’ll resign. I think after my book comes out, what’s going to happen is I think, for better or for worse, Republicans are going to take control of the Senate in November, and then you’re going to have hearings. And as soon as you have those hearings, he’s going to resign. Because he cannot survive, at this point, with everything people know, with all the lies he’s been caught in that have caught up with him, he’s not going to be able to endure a public hearing. And so, I think he’s going to become such a liability so quickly – and you know, all of this stuff that comes out now, that really probably should not be as significant as it is, but it pulls on people’s heartstrings. And I take back what I said, because – and I’m talking about Beaglegate [crosstalk 00:40:40] terrible, sadistic experiments on animals. Taking the scalps off of fully formed human fetuses, and stitching them to rats, so that they can humanize rats that won’t reject them, won’t produce antibodies. And so the fetus scalp begins to grow as the fur of the rat, so that they can test shampoos and see if they make you itch, or cause sores, or whatever.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

And Beaglegate, with a – one of these experiments, and there’s many, and they did it on monkeys and other animals too. But there are 14 healthy beagle puppies. They severed their vocal chords, so that the scientists wouldn’t have to listen to their agonized barking. And Tony Fauci put $450,000 of U.S. taxpayer money into this experiment. And then they put the beagles, for 96 days, put a cage overtop of their head, like a netting overtop of their head, a box that’s filled with carnivorous flies, that eat their faces off over 96 days. And then the animal is then euthanized after this grim and miserable existence that you wouldn’t do to any sentient being on the planet.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Nobody, nobody who was not a sadist in his soul, would allow that experiment to happen. And yet, Tony Fauci deemed that the best use for $450,000 of U.S. taxpayer money, with all of the screaming needs in public health. All of the people who are suffering, all of the people who are dying, all of the people who have no access to health care because they can’t afford it. And he made a decision that the best use of that money – it’s not just $450,000. Millions, and millions, and millions that he put into these sadistic experiments, was torturing animals to death. Like

you’d see in a school yard with little boys, who don’t know any better and need to be told, “You don’t do that to another creature.”

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

And Tony Fauci doesn’t have that instinct, it’s lacking. It’s a kind of soulless-eopothy. And we see that, it explains what he has done during COVID, denying early treatment to millions of Americans and forcing them to suffer and die in their homes, or on ventilators and Remdesevir, which is a deadly toxic drug in hospitals. Rather than get treated and be healthy. And punishing, silencing, censoring, de-licensing, discrediting any doctor who tries to say, “Wait a minute, I’ve been treating patients, and my patients aren’t dying. Because I’m using-” Not just hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, but an entire battery of repurposed drugs that we now know treat virtually all COVID cases, 70% to 90% of COVID deaths and hospitalizations could have been prevented. And there are hundreds and hundreds of peer-reviewed studies that support that. And yet, he forbids people from doing it. That’s really – that is a sociopath.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah, there’s no question. Yeah, in addition to the drugs of course, there are nutrients that we know, that make big benefit, like vitamin D and zinc.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

And you know, during the beginning of the pandemic, he said that. Somebody said to him, “What are you doing?” He said, “I’m taking vitamin D.” But did he ever tell the American public, “You should be taking vitamin D”?

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

No.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Did he ever have this conversation? A fireside chat, saying, “You got to lose weight. The people who are going to die are the people who are overweight. You got get sunlight. You got to go outdoors. You got to minimize stress in your lives. And you have to take care of each other. We have to quarantine people who are sick, and show them the best care possible.” No, no empathy. And shutting down a million businesses, is that really going to save lives? There’s no study that indicated it would. And there is certainly no study that indicated that that, as I pointed out in the book, we have the worst win-loss record of any country in the world. We have 4.2% of the global population, and we had 14.5% of the deaths. Why is anybody listening to this guy? There’s no health minister in the world who has a worse track record than Tony Fauci. There are countries in the world, many countries, that had 1/100th of our death rate per million in population. And guess what? Those are mainly the African countries and Asian countries that as a matter of course, are giving ivermectin for river blindness, and giving hydroxychloroquine for Mmalaria control.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

And they’re not obese. They’re not obese or eating Western foods.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Right.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

And they have sun exposure.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Yep.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

So, I’m just delighted to hear that you’re convinced that he’s going to be forced to resign. Could be a good result, partially, of your book. But the decimation he’s imposed upon this country with his policies, it’s surprising that that won’t be appreciated, but will likely get him terminated, is his involvement in this animal research issues you just described. That that’s probably going to be his death key. Because people will not tolerate that, it seems. He just can’t get around that, he can’t deny it.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Also Joe, in my book, as you know, I do a chapter on those animal studies. In that same chapter, which is called “Dr. Fauci, Mr. Hyde.”

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Great title. Great title.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

I tell a much worse story, which is the experiments he was doing on Black and Hispanic children. The experiments we know at least 85 children died. And what he did is, he arranged for the foster care programs in New York and six other states, to be turned over to the pharmaceutical companies to test his new chemotherapy drugs for AIDS, for HIV. So they were testing. They wanted to test them in children to open a new market, and they wanted to test them on the maternal transmission. They couldn’t do maternal transmission in this country, except for a few Black people in Tennessee and elsewhere. And I tell this story of one of those Black moms, who was killed, who probably didn’t even have HIV.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

And then they lied. Fauci’s entire staff lied to her family for years, until an AP (Associated Press) reporter got their internal emails, and showed them, and they knew that their drug killed her, and they were denying her compensation and blaming it on the HIV. At the same time they were doing these studies, in Incarnation [Children’s Center], a foster home in New York City. And these children had no guardian, so it was illegal studies. To do a clinical trial on children, you need to have a guardian appointed, who puts their interests first ahead of the drug companies. Fauci didn’t want that, so he allowed these studies to go forward without a legal guardian for any of these kids. So they had no parent watching out for them. The people who work in the Incarnation House were not doctors or nurses, so there was no medical professionals.

So they were mainly Dominican immigrants, who were deeply compassionate, who discovered in the middle that they were actually being hired to treat these children as guinea pigs, and they were killing huge numbers of them.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Many of the kids didn’t even have HIV. So they had no possible benefit from the drug, which is illegal. And Fauci got away with all of it. I believe there was a Congressional investigation for a brief time, but like everything that gets near him, it kind of peters out. But the record is, many of these children – the BBC did a documentary on these kids back in 2004 called “Guinea Pig Kids.” And they interviewed these children, who say, a 9-year-old kid, or a 12-year-old kid, who said, “I took the drugs. They made me feel sick. I was vomiting, I couldn’t eat, I was tired all the time, it was painful. And I refused to take it.” And when you refuse, they sent you to another of Tony Fauci’s PIs at Columbia-Presbyterian, and had them install a feeding tube, to force feed these children these toxic chemotherapy drugs that they refused to take.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

And so, you have a scene where one little kid is warning – like a 12-year-old is warning a 9-year- old, “You got to do it. You got to take them.” Kid doesn’t want to take it. “You got to take it or they’ll put in a feeding tube like they did to me.” And those kids, and Celia Farmer, who was really a brilliant researcher on my book, really helped me, she did an article. She went up and found the cemetery in Hawthorne, New York, where they were disposing of all the bodies. And it’s called Gates Family Cemetery, and there’s a big pit with an AstroTurf carpet on top of it. And inside the pit, when she lifted the carpet, there were hundreds of tiny little coffins, just piled haphazardly. And there’s a list of all the kids, and there was maybe 1,000 people on that list. Children. Children don’t die, it is very rare for a child to die. And this was like an assembly line of death. And she was able to find it, and under those specific names from specific Tony Fauci experiments, that were on that monument list there. Anyway, it is a horrific story. As bad as Beaglegate is, what he did to these Black and Hispanic children is even worse.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

And then, the next chapter in my book, which is called “White Man’s Burden,” shows that he wanted to open another market for these toxic chemotherapy drugs, of maternal [inaudible 00:52:34], showing that women who had AIDS and were pregnant, that he had a drug that would block transmission to their child, their unborn child. You couldn’t do those kind of experiments in this country, because you’re causing the cell – I mean, pregnant women, the most toxic compounds known to mankind, compounds that are designed to kill DNA and human cellular structures. It’s not a good thing when you give them to pregnant women. And so, they went to Africa to do these experiments, and the mayhem and the carnage and the death and the cover ups and the corruption that they employed finally came to light, and I show how Fauci, when people should have gone to jail, how he managed to manipulate President Bush into cooperating with his cover up. Bush didn’t know what he was doing, but Fauci is an expert on technocratic manipulation of the President, which has come in handy again, and again, and again, to bail him out of these criminal activities.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

I’m just delighted to hear that he’s not likely going to continue in this craziness. So after exposing and uncovering and sharing some of the highlights, and believe me folks, there’s much more in this. And if you aren’t inspired to read this book from what Bobby just shared, then I don’t know. [inaudible 00:54:07] have second thoughts. But I’m just curious where you would place the biggest sin or evil that he’s done? Is it any of the ones you’ve previously described, or another one in the book? Or would you place it at what he’s done with this pandemic?

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Yeah, I think this is the culmination of his career, and he’s been building with this [inaudible 00:54:33]. I have a chapter called “Flying Pandemics [ ].” He came in the agency in ’68, and in ’76 – what had happened with NIH [ ], infectious disease mortality simple stopped happening in our country in the second half of the 20th century, because of nutrition, sanitation, hygiene. People are still getting measles, but it was a rash, it was subclinical. And mumps, and chickenpox, and all these diseases that had taken life earlier in history, they simply stopped killing people by the 1960s. And infectious disease became such a low, low priority, that these agencies were really in danger. In fact the Reagan administration was going to abolish CDC, because there was no infectious disease mortalities anymore.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

But you had an internal discussion, where they kept saying, “You need a pandemic, you need a pandemic to scare people. You need a Spanish Flu pandemic.” And Fauci came in in ’68, and ’76 they had their first – they tried their first fake pandemic. And they ended up administering 40 million vaccines [inaudible 00:56:09]. And the pandemic never materialized. In fact, there was a Swine Flu pandemic that ended up killing a total, globally, global death of this pandemic, the entire global death rate, was one person. A soldier from Fort Dix. That was it. And yet, they minted a global panic, and they put billions of dollars into these companies developed [ 00:56:34]. Where they invented, I believe [inaudible 00:56:37] vaccine [ ]. And then they gave 40 million vaccines, the reason people died, and they said, “Oh my God, we killed 46 people,” and they pulled it.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Forty-seven people, 47 people.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Yeah. We’ve killed with this, in one year, 17,000 minimum.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Minimum, right.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Minimum, minimum. [inaudible 00:56:59] were never reported. So then, they did it again in ’86. They did a fake one, the next fake one they did was the bird flu pandemic in 2006. It was Jeremy Farrar, who is a young biologist, now head of the Wellcome Trust, that collaborated with Fauci, in concealing gain-of-function, linked coronavirus. It was the first call that he made after he realized, “Oh, we probably created coronavirus in ‘19 and we got to hide that.” And the first guy

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he called was the head of the Wellcome Trust, and Jeremy Farrar, we now know [inaudible 00:57:50] how he was manipulating WHO and creating all of these phony articles for The Lancet, the Nature, which create [inaudible 00:58:02] orthodoxy that says, “Anybody who mentions gain-of-function studies is a conspiracy theorist.” And that held for two years. Now it’s beginning to break down. He was the guy who — he founded [inaudible 00:58:16]. In Vietnam, he was a biologist in Vietnam, living off of Wellcome Trust money and working with the Chinese.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

A girl got sick after her dog had died, and then was, for some reason, the duck was unburied. And that story became bird flu. Now bird flu is really dangerous. Okay? Bird flu, when it gets into humans, it can kill 50% of the people who gets it. It’s not transmissible, so it’s very, very hard to be transmissible. But theoretically, if ever bird flu became transmissible, it could be very deadly. So this was the thing they were all waiting for and hoping for. And I sound like I’m being cynical, and I say, “Oh, but when you read my book, you’ll see. They were all hoping for it.” And so, Jeremy Farrar said, “Here it is.” And they went crazy. Liability shield for the pharmaceutical industry. They pumped billions of dollars into these new drugs, they forced everybody to take their vaccine. And it turned out to be, I think maybe 200 or 300 people around the world died of it. And it turned out to be a fake pandemic.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah, but President Bush projected two million deaths. Because I wrote a book [crosstalk 00:59:47]

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

That’s what Fauci told him. He mentioned Fauci in his presidential [inaudible 00:59:49]. Fauci was running the whole show then. And then, in 2009, they’d do another swine flu epidemic. And again, it turns out a complete fraud, utter fraud.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

And there’s a big scandal, because WHO, they forced all of these developing nations and European nations to sign sleeper contracts that require them to buy a whole bunch of vaccines from GlaxoSmithKline, if WHO ever declared a full-on pandemic. And just before they declared it, they changed the definition of pandemic, so there didn’t have to be any deaths. You can have a pandemic that was just the cases, that meant no deaths. Nobody dying. And that’s what they did. It turned out to be a huge – the vaccines cause mayhem, cause neurological damage all over the world, and they had to pull them again.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

And then they get Zika, which was a fake pandemic. Zika never was causing [inaudible 01:00:58], that was just a lie that Tony Fauci invented. They did a big scare with Ebola. And now they’ve done coronavirus. And they’ve taken all of these lessons they learned from all the

other fake pandemics, rolled it into coronavirus. And I want to make clear. I’m not saying that coronavirus is not a pandemic, or that it doesn’t kill a lot of people. It does. But we’ve all been manipulated by an exaggeration of cases, the exaggeration of deaths, the obscuring of the data, all of the manipulations that they’ve done to us, which everybody who listens to this show already knows about.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

But at the end of that chapter, I have a picture that somebody got from a Freedom of Information request, and it is a March Madness graph, of all of the different pandemics that he had, fake pandemics he’s tried during his career. All converging with the grand winner being coronavirus. And he signed it, somebody on his staff made it. But it was Tony Fauci’s triumph, winning March Madness. And it shows what – it’s basically a picture of his career, him trying every three or four years a new fake pandemic, and finally hitting on all eight cylinders with coronavirus. And it’s like it’s a joke, and that’s the punchline. And we are the punchline.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Well, I can’t thank you enough for doing the hard work, and I want to emphasis that word, hard, and diligent work. And the discipline it took to commit to the many hours. I mean, I know personally, you’ve had to cancel some meetings that we had, because you had the book deadlines. So it’s a wonderful book. Now, I want to encourage everyone to pick up a copy of this, because there’s a threat. The threat, as you read about on my site before, Elizabeth Warren issued a letter to the CEO of Amazon, to ban my book. To burn my book, “The Truth About COVID- 19.” And along with several other congressmen. So she may do the same thing for this book. I mean, that’s her – but hopefully she won’t, because this week, you and I and my publisher, Chelsea Green, filed a lawsuit against Elizabeth Warren for an injunction, to prevent her from doing this in the future. So she will not impact your book. [crosstalk 01:03:39]

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

I mean, there’s actually really good case on this. We all know, I have this case against Facebook. And the law in this country says that the First Amendment, under the First Amendment, Facebook has absolute right to censor. Facebook’s a private, essentially a printing press. And they can put what they want on, and they can invite their own guests, and they can exclude guests, and they don’t have to give any reason. But, when the government tells them to censor, then it becomes illegal. And that’s called the State Actor Theory. Because a private company can censor you, but the government cannot. And if it appears that the government is censoring you, that’s illegal. And so, I’m suing Facebook on that issue. We’re in the Ninth Circuit now, but we’re going to go to the – I’m sure that we’ll end up in the Supreme Court, if they grant us [inaudible 01:04:45].

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

This other issue, I think the case law, our case that Joe and I have against Elizabeth Warren is even stronger because here is a powerful public official, who is ordering a private corporation, that is largely dependent on federal regulatory policies and federal largess, to censor people who disagree with her political position. And that’s why we had the revolution against England. We said, “The King should not be able to silence people. And his ministers should not be able to

silence people. And members of Parliament should not be able to silence their political opponent.” I think Elizabeth Warren’s position on this is really frightening, because I don’t even understand how a Liberal Democrat – the Democratic party that I grew up in is a party for which free speech was sanctified. The ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) went and defended the Nazis when they marched in Muskogee, and I defended them. And what they’re saying is repulsive to me, but I need to live and die for their right to speak, for their right to say it. That’s how we live in our country. Our country is our democracy-

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

That’s how we used to live.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

It’s dependent on the free flow of information. And when you have an important Democrat, I want to ask Elizabeth Warren, “Do you believe in democracy anymore?” Because she clearly does not have faith in the people of the United States, to be able to make up their minds about, or to have to critically think about decisions. She thinks that they need to be manipulated, they need to be protected from information that she considers dangerous. And it [inaudible 01:06:50] a complete failure of faith in the demos, in the people, in democracy. And there’s a lot of troubling things that have come out of our new reliance on these social media platforms in our country, and democracies around the world need to struggle to figure out how to deal with that. But censorship is not the answer, and she ought to know better. And the fact that there’s many people in my party who believe that censorship is okay, 78%, shows that my party has lost touch, lost faith in democracy. It’s hard to call yourself the Democratic Party, when you don’t believe in democracy anymore, when you don’t believe in the people.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. So, have you changed your – it’s a really interesting commentary on the party. So are you considering switching parties, or-

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

No, I still have faith in many of these people, the people who are in the Democratic Party [inaudible 01:07:57] by fear, and fear has overcome their capacity for critical thought. But I don’t think we can abandon them as Americans, and I’m not going to abandon them, I think my job is to try to bring them back around, try to be a bridge between people of goodwill all over this country, who believe in their heart in the values of American democracy. And I am trying not to be political in what I say, because I think politics, it polarizes us. I think the elites want us fighting each other, and they want us polarized, they want to blame each other. And I think what we all need to do, is to reach out to people who are our friends, people who are our acquaintances, people who are misguided, and begin recruiting them back into democracy.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

That’s a great recommendation. I’m wondering, I know we’re close to the end, if you have any final recommendation, as to what you would advise to address this whole issue. Because it’s probably the most significant issue we’ve ever faced in our life.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Here’s what I’d say, Joe. Two thoughts. One is that we’re now at a critical point, where they’re about to poison 26 million children with a-

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Tens of thousands of [crosstalk 01:09:17] children. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Now, during the clinical trials, 20 people died in the vaccine group, and only 14 in the control group. So according to Pfizer’s own data, if you take the vaccine, you’re 48% more likely to die. You’re less likely to die of COVID, but four times more likely to die from a heart attack. Joe, for every life they save from COVID, they kill-

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

And that wasn’t the child data either, that was adult.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Oh yeah. The child was even worse, because there’s only 1,300 kids in that cohort, and we know that one of them was Jennifer Gary, and Jennifer Gary got seizures, she is permanently paralyzed, and she is living off a feeding tube. And Pfizer reported her injuries as a stomach ache. You know they were lying. Now if one out of every 1,300 kids is paralyzed in the clinical trial, you can project that out and say there’s 26 million kids, you’re going to have tens of thousands of people who are going to suffer those kind of injuries. So giving this is wholeheartedly reckless. It’s again, a sociopath.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Here’s what I would say to people. We have to stop this. And this is the hill that we all have to die on. We cannot let them give – if you are a parent, and you let them give this to your child, you are not doing your job as a parent. If you are a doctor, you are committing malpractice to give this to a child. We all need to resist. I would say that every American who sees what’s happening, has to now start engaging in civil disobedience every day. And that may mean going to a store and telling them, if they demand a vaccine passport, that you are not going to patronize that store anymore. It may mean by resisting on the job. And do not quit. Do not quit. Make them fire you. Because then you have a lawsuit. And make them fire you. Right now, the best thing to make them fire you for is trying to take an emergency use authorization vaccine, because there are no approved vaccines in this country available to any American. It was a myth, it was a hoax, it was a chicanery for them to say, “Oh, we approved this Comirnaty vaccine.” If you go on Pfizer’s website, it will tell you, “We do not make Comirnaty available in the United States.”

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Why are they trying to go after our kids? Here’s why. The vaccines can only get liability protection once they are approved. The only way they get liability protection is if they’re on the child’s vaccination schedule. And then, once the CDC votes them on to the child vaccination schedule, then they get liability protection even for adults. So they need to put them on that child

schedule, so that they can start selling them in this country, because they’re not going to sell them until they get liability protection. Because of course, you wouldn’t. One lawsuit can bankrupt a company, if they didn’t have liability protection. So that’s why they’re going after our kids. They need it to get that liability protection. And we need to stop them from the collateral damage they’re going to cause, to an entire generation of children, 26 million children on a vaccine that’s been tested on 1,300 kids, with catastrophic results.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

The other thing I would say, and this is in line with what I was talking about with you earlier, about how do you persuade people to open their eyes to what’s happening. How do you wake them up?

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

That’s the question.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

I talked to a friend of mine, who is a really brilliant psychologist and social psychologist the other day. And he said, “The worst thing that you can do to somebody who is partly orthodoxy, is to try to persuade them directly. If you run at them and challenge their beliefs, and ridicule them, you’re not going to get anywhere.” But there is a way to get them to open their eyes, and that’s with the [inaudible 01:13:39] method, which is to ask them questions about their belief, ask them, to challenge them gently with questions, to ask them, “If the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission, how can we justify mandating? How do we think it can end the pandemic?” If the vaccines aren’t tested on the 1,300 children, is it right to give it to 26 million? Is it right to give it The Lancet studies – as a single child anywhere on the globe, healthy child, has ever died from COVID19. There are children who died, but they all have these really heavy duty comorbidities. Very overweight, diabetes, asthma, et cetera.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

How do we justify giving this to a healthy child, when they have no risk from COVID? And yet they do have a profound risk from the vaccine. Is that okay? And to ask people question [inaudible 01:14:41]. So that’s one of the things I’m trying, and something they do and need to try as well.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Okay, well that’s really sage advice. I can’t thank you enough for your dedication, your commitment, and your putting together this book as a resource. Again, I strongly recommend it. It’s clearly – you definitely set the standard at this point. My book was a good primer, but it was literally 1/6 the size of your book. And you’ve got a lot more work went into it, to document this. And hopefully, it will be the catalyst to have Fauci resign at some point in the near future. So thank you for everything you’ve done. And actually, I should mention that you’ve got an unbelievably great website, I subscribe to it every day. You put out so many good articles. It’s TheDefender.com.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

[inaudible 01:15:25] The Defender. Thank you, Joe. Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah, yeah. So it’s a great, great site.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Well, thank you for everything you do, you’ve been doing this for a lifetime, and you’ve been fighting back courageously. And they’re really trying to destroy you now, and I’m really proud to be your friend, and to be in the trenches with you.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah, well likewise. It’s a team effort, and it’s definitely… I firmly believe that ultimately, we win in the end. But there’s going to be a lot of challenges, and it’s probably likely going to get worse before, especially with this – it’s hard to go to sleep at night, just knowing they passed that, and what’s likely going to happen. I just don’t see any intervention. So many children are going to die and suffer needlessly because of this. But it is what it is, and we’ve got to go forward, and I really thank you for compiling the data, and giving us a strategy that we can make a difference. So thanks for everything.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:

Thank you, Joe.