The Alien Interview from 1947

 This image has been chosen to illustrate this story, but does not represent how the being Airl appeared
Winston Shrout discusses the Alien Interview PDF on the Goldfish Report.

[NOTE] I have excerpted the first 28 pages of the Alien Interview in order to provide a sense of what the book contains.


Based On Personal Notes and Interview Transcriptions Provided by : Matilda O’Donnell MacElroy
Editing and Supplemental Footnotes by: Lawrence R. Spencer ( Author of “The Oz Factors” )
Copyright (c) 2008 by Lawrence R. Spencer. All Rights Reserved.
Cover and book design by Lawrence R. Spencer
Printed in The United States of America First Edition Printing: 2008
ISBN: 978-0-6152-0460-4

The Complete Alien Interview PDF (503 downloads)


My sincerest thanks to the enthusiastic, insightful editorial support of Michel and Brenda. Thank you very much to all of the diligent and unselfish work of the owners, staff and tireless contributors and editors of upon which thematerial in this book relies heavily for efficacious documentary support of many of the footnoted items sited in the text of the transcripts and comments from Matilda O’Donnell MacElroy.


As far as the Editor of the book, “Alien Interview” is concerned, and for all practical purposes, the content of the book is a work of fiction. The Editor makes no claim to the factuality of the content, and in fact, cannot prove that the alleged author actually ever existed. Although some of the dates, locations, persons and incidents described may be factual or based on fact, there is no evidence to authenticate that equally as many may be subjective contrivances of the author.

All of the information, notes and transcripts received by the Editor are contained in their complete, original form, as represented in the book. The Editor is no longer in possession of any original documents or copies of original documents from the author, i.e. Mrs. MacElroy.

Some material contained in the book may have similarities to Earth philosophies as the variety of these are too numerous to list, and bear too many fundamental similarities to be easily differentiated. Although the book discusses the origins of the universe, the time track of the physical universe, paranormal activities of immortal and/or extraterrestrial beings, “aliens” or “gods”, it is in no way the intention of the Editor to represent, endorse, forward or assume the viewpoint of the author, any political doctrine, economic vested interest, scientific hypothesis, religious practice or philosophy, whether terrestrial or extraterrestrial.

The notes and transcripts contained in the book, are solely and only the based on the representations and documents provided by the author, the late Matilda O’Donnell MacElroy, unless otherwise specifically annotated by Footnotes in The Appendix of the book.

The Editor is not responsible for any assumptions, inferences or conclusions made by the reader based on the material is this book, which are solely and only the responsibility of the reader.

What is true for you, is true for you.

Lawrence R. Spencer — Editor


Table Of Contents

ALIEN INTERVIEW TITLE PAGE………………………………………………………………

2 TABLE OF CONTENTS …………………………………………………………………………..

4 FOREWORD ………………………………………………………………………………………….

5 PREAMBLE……………………………………………………………………………………………

6 DEDICATION ………………………………………………………………………………………


8 DEFINITIONS ……………………………………………………………………………………..




16 THE LETTER FROM MRS. MACELROY ……………………………………………………



27 CHAPTER TWO – MY SECOND INTERVIEW ……………………………………………

36 CHAPTER THREE – MY THIRD INTERVIEW …………………………………………..


42 CHAPTER FIVE – READING LESSONS ……………………………………………………

45 CHAPTER SIX – MY EDUCATION BEGINS ………………………………………………



66 CHAPTER NINE – A TIME LINE OF EVENTS …………………………………………..

80 CHAPTER TEN – A LESSON IN BIOLOGY …………………………………………………






144 CHAPTER SIXTEEN – AIRL DEPARTS………………………………………………………

148 POST SCRIPT FROM MRS. MACELROY……………………………………………………

150 APPENDIX: EDITOR’S FOOTNOTES………………………………………………………..

156- 303



“We ask, as Fools who know not Our Own Spirit:

Where are the hidden traces left by The Gods?”

— Rig Veda —
book i, stanza 164, lines 5 a & b


What greater brutality can be inflicted on anyone than to erase or deny the spiritual awareness, identity,
ability, and memory that is the essence of oneself?

— Lawrence R. Spencer — 2008


This book is dedicated to all Immortal Spiritual Beings, whether they are aware of themselves as such, or not. It is especially dedicated to the wisdom, courage and integrity of those Greater Beings, who in various incarnations at various times during the past, in the present and into the future, enkindle and carry the Flame of Truth into the darkest corners of the universe.

This dedication is not only to the philosophical teachings and technologies developed by these beings, but to the demonstrated and documented courage to apply their philosophy in the face of overwhelming ignorance, overt hostility and aggressive suppression by lesser beings and by the self- serving vested interests of inter-galactic and planetary political, economic, and religious institutions.

Though relatively few in number, the profound wisdom and heroic dedication of such beings, and those who share their quest, have been the only effective deterrent to spiritual slavery. Freedom, Communication, Creativity ,Trust and Truth for all Immortal Spiritual Beings in this universe is their legacy. The Good Examples set by them is our sanctuary and sustenance. Personal, diligent application of their teachings is our weapon against the dwindling spiral of chaos and oblivion that is the material universe.

— Lawrence R. Spencer —


Editorial Guidelines Used In This Book

I have tried not to edit the material I received from Mrs. MacElroy except to the degree necessary to make a logical sequence of the material she mailed to me. Wherever possible I have quoted or transcribed her original written notes verbatim.

In some instances I have taken editorial liberty to add other information, or supplementary commentary which I feel will add useful definitions, or clarification to the information given in the official transcripts, or to her remarks or observations. These appear as a numbered “(Footnote)” in the Appendix at the end of the book. All footnote references, where possible, are copied verbatim from the free internet encyclopedia website If information was not available through, I used the popular internet search engine to find a website reference that seemed most appropriate to the subject matter.

Mrs. MacElroy did not make a notation of dates in the most of the documents, so I am not certain that the sequence of material matches the actual sequence of events, or sequence of the interviews, except as noted on the official transcripts themselves.

Since it has been 60 years since the date of the interviews, and considering the age of Mrs. MacElroy before her death, I reasoned that she did not necessarily have an acute recollection of exact names, dates and times, except as recorded in the transcripts of July 8th through August 12th, 1947.

The material in this book is organized into three different types. The following notations will be used to designate where these appear in this book:


(TYPE FONT: Times Roman, 12 point)




a survival or non-survival plan or agenda which has been “clothed” to make it seem like something other than what it actually is.

any person, group or entity which prevents or controls communication to serve their own purposes, (plans or agenda).

— Reference: Page 37, The Oz Factors, by Lawrence R. Spencer. Mystery:

an enigma or problem involving paradox or apparent contradiction

profound, inexplicable, or secretive quality or character

— Reference:

The Mystery of UFOs and Extraterrestrials

If you have studied UFO phenomena at all, you are already familiar with the infamous Orson Welles radio broadcast of “War of the Worlds, And The Invasion from Mars” 1 (Footnote) on Oct. 30, 1938. This fictitious radio dramatization of an invasion of Earth by “aliens” incited a global UFO and extraterrestrial hysteria long before the UFO crash near Roswell, N.M. in 1947.

During the past 60 years, since the alleged Roswell crash, there have been tens of thousands of reported UFO sightings. A global hysteria has emerged from “evidence” of what is presumed to be extraterrestrial phenomenon. Concurrently, the unrelenting denial of this phenomenon by the U.S. government has precipitated an uninterrupted flurry of accusations, counter- accusations, cover-up conspiracy theories, lunatic fringe speculations, “scientific investigations”, etc., etc., ad nauseam, and a growing multitude of similar alleged “close encounters”.

My first thought when I received the package of documents from Mrs. MacElroy was: “This is just another set of Majestic-12 documents”.
2 (Footnote) I am referring to a “mysterious package” reportedly received by mail in 1984 shortly after the death of the last surviving member of the so- called “Majestic-12” committee, alleged to have been organized by President Harry Truman shortly after the Roswell incident in 1947.

There are several similarities to the “Majestic-12” documents and the package I received from Mrs. MacElroy. In the case of the former, an envelope was sent from an anonymous sender with no return address. It contained an undeveloped roll of film. That’s all. On the roll of film were photos of documents that were assumed to be authentic by the recipient and his colleagues whose vested interest, i.e. livelihood, depend heavily on attracting public notice and credibility to themselves as “leading authorities” on the subject of UFO phenomena. They have worked relentlessly since then to discover “proof” that the documents are authentic. Of course, government agencies deny everything alleged in the documents and anything having to do with the subject of extraterrestrials in general.

In addition, the subject has become so thoroughly overwhelmed with obvious false reports, discredited sources, hearsay, manufactured falsehoods, misunderstandings, missing information, added inapplicable information and a myriad of other conflicting complexities which have made the subject laughable or unapproachable as a science. This may be intentional, or simply a reflection of the general chaos and barbarism that is Humanity.

As for government denials and cover-ups, the events of September 11, 2001, have made it abundantly apparent to me that the U.S. government has destroyed any vestige of trust the American people and the world may have harbored, even through the Vietnam war, Watergate, and many similar betrayals, in the “honesty” of the American government, military and intelligence community, by blatantly lying to it’s own people about almost anything and everything.

In spite of vast numbers of “UFO sightings”, innumerable reports of “alien abductions”, and “close encounters” with extraterrestrials that pervade nearly all of prehistoric and recorded human history I found only one underlying, unifying, undisputable, axiomatic common denominator that permeates all of this data:

Assuming that subjective reality, or beliefs, of individuals is acceptable evidence, there has been no universally agreed upon “proof” that UFOs and / or extraterrestrial life forms exist whether based on government admission , physical evidence, circumstantial or subjective data.

There are several deductions I can infer from the lack of agreement, government admission or physical evidence that such things are real that, if verified, may lead to a workable solution to this mystery:

In spite of an enormous collection of subjective, circumstantial and objective “evidence” of extraterrestrial activity on and around Earth, the existence, intentions and the activities of extraterrestrials remain hidden and mysterious.

Universally agreed upon proof of extraterrestrial life based on subjective data, government admission, physical and circumstantial evidence are subject to conflicting vested interests, which has made such proof unattainable.

Collectively, these deductions beg the obvious question:

If extraterrestrials life forms exist, why is there no consistent, forthright , open, interactive communication between Mankind and Extraterrestrials?

Fortunately, subjective reality does not require evidence or “proof”. Therefore, I decided to write this book in order to pass along a subjective communication I received from Mrs. MacElroy to other people who may be interested in it.

Personally, I am not assuming that anything I received from Mrs. MacElroy is in any way authentic, with the exception of the envelope and the paper inside the envelope. I cannot substantiate any of it. Indeed, I can’t truly verify that there was ever such a person as Mrs. MacElroy other than a voice I heard over the phone in 1998. The voice could have been anyone. Personally, I do not have a vested interest in UFO research. Yes, I’ve written a few books about immortal spiritual beings — because I’m interested in the subject. But I haven’t sold enough of those books to pay for the time it took to write them.

It is a hobby. I earn my living as a small business consultant.

It is not my intention to justify, explain, or remedy any disability to perceive or understand the mysteries of extraterrestrial existence, UFOs, governments agendas or spiritual abilities. Nor is it intended to educate, persuade, or promote to anyone that any of these phenomena exist. Furthermore, what I may or may not think about any of this is irrelevant.

Moreover, I have burned all of the original documents, including the envelope I received from Mrs. MacElroy. I do not want to spend the rest of my life being hounded by UFO researchers, government agents, grocery store tabloids reporters, UFO advocates and de-bunkers alike, or anyone else. Any “proofs” or attempts to authenticate the assertion that Mrs. MacElroy actually interviewed an alien in 1947 will have to be done by others.

Ripley says, “Believe It, or Not”. 3 (Footnote) I say, “What’s true for you, is true for you”.

Lawrence R. Spencer Editor

About The Source Of Material In This Book

The content of this book is primarily excerpted from the letter, interview transcripts and personal notes I received from the late Matilda O’Donnell MacElroy. Her letter to me asserts that this material is based on her recollection of communication with an alien being, who “spoke” with her telepathically. During July and August of 1947 she interviewed an extraterrestrial being who she identifies as “Airl”, and whom she claims was and continues to be an officer, pilot and engineer who was recovered from a flyer saucer that crashed near Roswell, New Mexico on July 8th, 1947.

Obviously, anyone reading anything about this most famous, or infamous, of all “flying saucer” or “alien encounter” events must necessarily be highly suspicious regarding 1) the authenticity of the report and 2) the credibility of the source of information, especially when it appears for the first time sixty years after the alleged event!

I received the aforementioned letter from Mrs. MacElroy on September 14th, 2007, together with a package of documents. The package contained three types of documents:

1) hand-written notes in cursive on ordinary, lined, 8 1/2″ X 11″school notebook paper, which I assume had been written personally by Mrs. MacElroy.

2) notes typed on a manual typewriter on plain, white 20 lb. bond paper, which I am assume were prepared personally by her. At least both had the appearance of having been written in the same hand writing, and / or typed on the same typewriter consistently throughout. The writing in the notes I received also appeared to be the same as the writing on the address and return address of the manila envelope I received from Navan, Ireland, which was postmarked on 3 September, 2007. Since I am not a forensic expert, or handwriting analyst, my opinion in these matter is not a professionally qualified judgment.

3) many pages of typewritten transcriptions of her interview with the alien. These were obviously typed on a different typewriter. These pages were typed on a different type of paper and showed apparent signs of age and repeated handling.

None of these notes were assembled in any particular order, or by date, except where indicated by a sentence or paragraph of preamble or explanation by her, or by extrapolation from the context of the pages.

Voltaire 4 (Footnote) is quoted as having said: “History is a Mississippi of lies”.

According to the comments made by the alien in the interview transcripts, supplied by Mrs. MacElroy, the fundamental lesson of history is that many, many gods have become men, but very few men, if any, have returned to being a god again.

According to the alien being — “Airl” — if anything he / she / it supposedly communicated can be trusted — and if the “translation” or interpretation of this alleged communication is accurate, the history of this universe is a “River of Lies” down which the might and freedom of all-powerful, god-like, immortal spiritual beings ended and was lost in a Sea of Matter and Mortality.

Furthermore, according to the very direct and undiplomatic statements made — which seem to express the “personal opinion” of the alien — if one were traveling the far reaches of the universe in search of a place called “Hell”, it would be an accurate description of Earth and the inhabitants in its current condition.

To further compound, complicate and magnify the “incredible” source of the “interview transcriptions” I received from Mrs. MacElroy is the fact that they are:

1) based almost entirely on “telepathic communication” between the alien and Mrs. MacElroy.

2) many of these interviews discuss “paranormal” activities of “immortal spiritual beings”.

Of course, most “scientific authorities” are unwilling to acknowledge or perceive spiritual phenomena of any kind.

The dictionary definition of the word paranormal is: adjective:

1. cannotbeexplainedbyscientificmethods
2. supernatural,orseeminglyoutside”normal”sensorychannels

By definition, people who use the word “paranormal” are 1) not able to explain spiritual phenomena and 2) spiritual phenomena are outside of their normal sensory channels.

In short, scientists suffer from the inability and/or unwillingness to perceive and/or explain spiritual activities. Therefore, the discussion of spiritual activities or spiritual universes in this book are expected to be understood only by those who can and will perceive such things.

According to the time spans related by the alien in several of the interviews, there are a number of compelling and heretofore unknown reasons that suggest the possibility that many extraordinary miscalculations have been made by Earth scientists regarding the origins and antiquity of the universe, Earth, life forms and events. Of course, these may or may not be accurate either, as time and it’s ugly step-child, history, are largely subjective.

However, it can be observed that, by contrast with interstellar or “macrocosmic time”, the historical perspective of residents of Earth is limited to a relatively microscopic period of time, compared to what are considered to be “recent events” in the chronology of an space travel civilization, much less the entire time span of the universe.

The geological record of Earth is reckoned, by the best guesses of scientists, to be only about 4 billion years. The antiquity of homo sapiens in the archaeology textbooks is estimated at only a few million years, at most. Even the entire biological spectrum is considered to have existed on this planet for only a few hundred million years. And, by and large, the personal memory of individual beings on this planet is limited to only one lifetime.

All other dates, events, or interpretations of events cited in this book are from terrestrial sources, which are purely subjective observations, conjectures, or inventions of human beings, including those of the author, and must therefore be credited or disregarded by the reader accordingly, considering the penchant of Earth inhabitants to myopia, egocentricity, and general ignorance of the several universes in which we dwell.

This book is intended to be an informal presentation of information provided to me, sixty years after the fact, of a series of interviews between an alien space craft officer, pilot & engineer and an Army Air Force surgical nurse.

Matilda O’Donnell MacElroy Biographical Information

Since I have never met Mrs. MacElroy in person, and spoke with her over the phone only once for about 20 minutes, I can not vouch personally for her as a credible source of information. In fact, I cannot factually substantiate that such a person actually existed, accept that I did speak with her on the phone and I received hand-written material in the mail which was sent from a physical address in Ireland.

When I spoke to her on the phone in 1998, I was living in Florida. At the time of our brief phone interview, Mrs. MacElroy lived on Scotty Pride Drive in Glasgow, Montana. I know this because I mailed a copy of my book, The Oz Factors, to her as a gift after it was published in 1999. I am sure she received the book, because she refers to it by name in the letter I received from Ireland, and says that she read it.

I did a little research on the internet about Glasgow, Montana for my own interest. Glasgow was founded in 1887 as a railroad town that became popular during the 1930s because President FDR requested that Fort Peck Dam be constructed there which became a huge source of employment for the Glasgow area. In the 1960s the population flourished up to 12,000 because of Glasgow Air Force Base (SAC), which was used during the Vietnam conflict and the earlier part of the ‘Cold War’. The base was deactivated and closed in 1969.

When I talked to Mrs. MacElroy on the phone she mentioned that she had been relocated there by the U.S. Air Force after her service was completed, and that’s where she met her husband, who was an engineer. I don’t think she mentioned his first name. However, he worked on building the Fort Peck Dam, which created the massive Fort Peck Lake. Although the dam was finished in 1940, he was a great fisherman and outdoorsman, so he stayed in the area. I gathered that the Irish heritage of the place had something to do with it, but didn’t pursue that point with her. I haven’t been able to find any record of a “MacElroy” who worked at the dam, but the personnel records from that period are virtually non-existent as far as I can determine.

I contacted her during my research for The Oz Factors book because I was led to believe, through a very circuitous line of investigation, that this womenwas suspected of having been involved with alien contact at Area 51, or the Roswell crash site, or something similar.

Through a sequence of circumstantial inferences and accidental referrals, I actually found her number in the phone book and called her up just on the chance that there might really be such a person.

Needless to say, when I called her she was less than forthcoming in her response to my questions. However, I think she was impressed by my genuine and innocent sincerity to get information for my book, and realized that I had no nefarious or financially motivated purposes or reason to exploit her in any way. Nonetheless, she did not give me any useful information at that time, except to say that she had been in the Army and was stationed in New Mexico in 1947.

She could not discuss anything whatsoever about any kind of incident, as her life depended on remaining silent. Although this piqued my interest even more, it was futile to try to push her any further, so I gave up and forgot about her until last September, when I got the package from Ireland.

I tried to contact her in Ireland at the return address on the package, but received no reply from her, nor have I been able to find anyone in Meath County, Ireland who was acquainted with either of them except the landlady from whom they rented a room for a few weeks before their deaths, which seemed to have occurred simultaneously, although I have no real evidence of this.

However, the post mark of the envelope she sent to me was stamped at the post office in Navan, Co. Meath, Ireland on the date sited above. Since there is an actual residence (according to Google Maps) at the return address shown on the envelope, I wrote to the address and was advised by the home owner that both Mrs. MacElroy and her husband, whose name turns out to have been “Paul”, were both recently deceased. She said that the cremated remains of Mrs. MacElroy and her husband were interred at Saint Finian Cemetery on Athboy Road.

Subsequently, I have not been able to find any record of her under the maiden name of O’Donnell, nor have I had any success at discovering any personal friend, family member or document to confirm her birth, medical education, or military record, marriage or death, with the exception of her landlady in Ireland (who is not a relative) just before her death. I suspect that this is the false identity given to her by the military when she left Roswell, as mentioned in her notes.

In either case, it seems likely that her identity and all evidence of her has been expunged from the public record. I understand that certain government

agencies are adept at covering up evidence, or making records (and people) disappear. It seems likely that this has been done in her case, due to the highly sensitive nature of the Roswell incident and consistent with the rest of the alleged “cover up”.

Inasmuch as I do not have any further information to verify or substantiate that any of the notes of these “interviews” sent to me by Mrs. MacElroy are in any way factual, other than what I have already mentioned, let the reader beware, and take heed accordingly!

The Letter from Mrs. MacElroy

August 12, 2007
Dear Lawrence,
I am typing this letter to you on my old Underwood
typewriter that I bought after I was discharged from the
Army. Somehow it seems like a fitting contrast to the
subject of this letter and the documents you will find
enclosed in this envelope.
The last time I spoke to you was about eight years ago.
During your brief telephone interview with me you asked
me to assist you with the research for "The Oz Factors"
book you were writing because you suspected that I might
know something that would help your investigation into
the possibility that extraterrestrial beings may have
influenced the history of Earth.  When we spoke, I told
you that I did not have any information that I could
share with you about anything.
Since then I have read your book and found it very
interesting and compelling.  You are obviously a man who
has done his homework, and who could understand my own
experiences.  I've been thinking a lot about your
allusion to the old philosopher whom you paraphrased in
our phone conversation: "with great power, comes great
responsibility". Although I don't think power is
pertinent in my life or to my reasons for sending you
the enclosed documents, you certainly did get me
thinking about my responsibility.

I have reconsidered my position, for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is my realization that you were right. I do have a responsibility to myself,
at least. I can not possibly tell you the personal Hell 5 (Footnote) of ethical irresolution and spiritual ambivalence I have endured since 1947. I do not want to keep playing the game of “maybe I should have, or maybe I shouldn’t have”, through the rest of Eternity!

Many men have been killed to extinguish the possibility
of revealing the knowledge I have helped to withhold
from society, until now.  Only a small handful of people
on Earth have seen and heard what I have had the burden
of keeping secret for sixty years. All those years I
thought that I had been entrusted with a great deal of
confidence by the "powers that be" in our government,
although I have often felt that power is greatly
misguided, to "protect" Mankind from the certain
knowledge that, not only do intelligent extraterrestrial
life forms exist, but that they have and continue to
aggressively monitor and invade the lives of everyone on
Earth every day.

Therefore, I think the time has come to pass along my secret knowledge to someone I think will understand it. I don’t think it would be responsible of me to take the knowledge I have into the silent afterlife, beyond reach or recognition. I think there is a greater good to be served than protecting the “vested interests” for whom this information is considered a matter of “national security”, whatever that means, and is therefore justification for making it “TOP SECRET”. 6 (Footnote)

Also, I am now 83 years old. I have decided to leave
this body, which has outlasted it’s usefulness to me, using a painless method of self-administered euthanasia.7 (Footnote) I have a very few months to live, and nothing to fear or lose.

So, I have moved away from Montana, where my husband and I lived for most of my life, to spend our remaining days in a lovely rented upstairs bedroom in a house in the homeland of my husband’s family in County Meath, Ireland. 8 (Footnote)

I will die not far from “The Great Mound” at Knowth
9 (Footnote),and Dowth, the “Fairy Mound of Darkness”. These are sacred “cairns” or massive stone structures that were erected about 3,700 BCE and engraved with indecipherable hieroglyphs — about the same time as pyramids and other inexplicable stone monuments were being built all over the Earth.

I am also not far from “The Hill of Tara”, 10 (Footnote) that was once the ancient seat of power in Ireland where 142 kings are said to have reigned in prehistoric and

historic times. In ancient Irish religion and mythology
this was the sacred place of dwelling for the "gods" and
was the entrance to the "other world".
Saint Patrick came to Tara to conquer the ancient
religion of the pagans. He may have suppressed the
religious practices in the area, but he certainly did
not have any impact on the "gods" who brought these
civilizations to Earth, as you will discover when you
read the documents enclosed.  Therefore, this is a
fitting location for my departure from this unholy world
and final release from the burdens of this life.
The crystal clear perspective of hindsight has revealed
a higher purpose to me: assisting the survival of the
planet, all living beings and life forms in our galaxy!
The status quo of our government establishment has been
to "protect the people" from knowledge of such matters.
In fact, the only protection afforded by ignorance and
secrecy is to hide the private agenda of those in power
to enslave others.  And, by doing so, to disarm every
perceived enemy, and ally, through superstition and
Therefore, I have enclosed the original and only
existing copies of my personal notes and reflections on
a matter which I have kept hidden from everyone, even my
own family.  I have also enclosed my copies of typed
transcripts created by the stenographer who transcribed
all of my interviews with the alien saucer pilot after
each interview was finished.  I do not have any copies
of the tape recordings that were made of my interview
reports.  No one, until now, knows that I was able to
secretly retain copies of the official interview
Now I am entrusting these documents to your discretion
to impart to the world in any form or manner you see
fit.  My only request is that you do so in a way that
will not threaten your own life or well being, if
possible. If you were to incorporate these notes of my
experiences into a work of fiction, such as a novel, the
factual nature of the material could be easily dismissed
or discredited by any agency for whom "national
security" is used as a personal shield against scrutiny
and justice.
In so doing, you could "disavow any knowledge" of their
true origin, and claim that it is a fictitious work of
your imagination. Whoever said that "truth is stranger
than fiction" was "right as rain".  For most people all
of this will be "unbelievable".  Unfortunately, beliefs
are not a reliable criteria for reality.
Also, I am sure that if you were to show these notes to
anyone that would prefer physical, economic or spiritual
slavery over freedom, the subject matter contained in
them would seem quite objectionable.  If you attempted
to published the documents as a matter of factual
reporting in a newspaper or on the evening TV news they
would be rejected out of hand as the work of a kook.
The very nature of these documents make them
unbelievable, and therefore discreditable. Conversely,
the release of this information is potentially
catastrophic for certain political, religious and
economic vested interests.
These documents contain information which is quite
relevant to your interest and investigations into alien
encounters and paranormal experience. To use your
analogy in "The Oz Factors" book, I can honestly say
that the few factual reports that have been made by
others about "alien" influences are only a gentle breeze
in the eye of an Apocalyptic Hurricane swirling around
Earth.  There really are wizards and wicked witches and
flying monkeys in this universe!

This information, which has been suspected and/or speculated upon by so many for so long, has been constantly denied by mainstream media, academia, and the Military-Industrial Complex 11 (Footnote) that President Eisenhower warned us about in his farewell address.

As you known in July,1947,the Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF) 12 (Footnote) issued a press release stating that personnel from the field’s 509th Bomb Group had recovered a crashed “flying disc” from a ranch near Roswell, New Mexico, sparking intense media interest. 13 (Footnote)

Later the same day, the Commanding General of the Eighth Air Force 14 (Footnote) stated that Major Jesse Marcel, who was involved with the original recovery of the debris, had recovered only the tattered remnants of a weather balloon. The true facts of the incident have been suppressed by the United States government since then.

You may not know that I was enlisted in the U.S. Women’s Army Air Force(WAC) 15 (Footnote) Medical Corp which was a part of the US Army back then. I was assigned to the 509th Bomb Group as a Flight Nurse 16 (Footnote)at the time of the incident.

When the news that there had been a crash was received at the base, I was asked to accompany Mr. Cavitt, the Counter Intelligence Officer, 17 (Footnote) to the crash site as the driver of his vehicle, and to render any needed emergency medical assistance to any survivors, if necessary. 18 (Footnote) Therefore, I briefly witnessed the wreckage of an alien space craft, as well as the remains of the several alien personnel aboard the craft who were already dead.

When we arrived I learned that one of the personnel on board the craft had survived the crash, and was conscious, and apparently uninjured. The conscious alien was similar in appearance, but not the same as, the others. 19 (Footnote)

None of the other personnel present could communicate with the survivor, as the being did not communicate verbally or by any recognizable signs. However, while I examined the “patient” for injuries I immediately detected and understood that the alien being was attempting to communicate with me by “mental images”, or “telepathic thought”, 20 (Footnote) which projected directly from the mind of the being.

I immediately reported this phenomenon to Mr. Cavitt. As
no other person present could perceive these thoughts,
and the alien seemed able and willing to communicate
with me, it was decided, after a brief consultation with
a senior officer, that I would accompany the surviving
alien back to the base.

This was partly due to the fact that I was a nurse, and could attend to the physical needs of the alien, as well as serve as a non-threatening communicator and companion. After all, I was the only woman at the site and the only one who was not armed. I was thereafter assigned permanently to serve as a “companion” of the alien at all times. 21 (Footnote)

My duty was to communicate with and interview the alien
and to make a complete report of all that I discovered
to command authorities.  Subsequently, I was supplied
with specific lists of questions provided to me by
military and non-military personnel, which I was to
"interpret" for the alien, and record the responses to
the questions provided.
I also accompanied the alien at all times during medical
testing and the many other examinations to which the
alien was subjected by staff from numerous government
I was given a promotion in rank to Senior Master
Sergeant to improve my security rating, and to increase
my pay grade from $54.00 a month to $138.00 a month, for
this very unusual assignment.  I performed these duties
from July 7th through August,1947,at which time the
alien "died" or departed the "body", as you will read
about in my notes.
Although I was never left entirely alone with the alien,
as there were always military personnel, intelligence
agency people and a variety of other officials present
from time to time, I did have uninterrupted access to
and communication with the alien being for nearly six
Hereinafter is an overview and summary of my personal
recollections of "conversations" with the alien craft
pilot, whom I came to know by the identity of "Airl".
I feel that it is my duty at this time, in the best
interest of the citizens of Earth, to reveal what I have
learned from my interaction with "Airl" during those six
weeks, on the anniversary of her "death" or departure
sixty years ago.
Although I served as a nurse in the Army Air Force, I am
not a pilot or technician. Further, I did not have any
direct contact with the space craft or other materials
recovered from the crash site at that time, or
thereafter.  To that degree it must be taken into
consideration that my understanding of the
communications I had with " Airl" are based on my own
subjective ability to interpret the meaning of the
thoughts and mental images I was able to perceive.
Our communication did not consist of "spoken language",
in the conventional sense.  Indeed, the "body" of the
alien had no "mouth" through which to speak.  Our
communication was by telepathy.  At first, I could not
understand Airl very clearly. I could perceive images,
emotions and impressions, but it was difficult for me to
express these verbally.  Once Airl learned the English
language, she was able to focus her thoughts more
precisely using symbols and meanings of words I could
understand.  Learning the English language was done as a
favor to me.  It was more for my own benefit than hers.
By the end of our interview sessions, and increasingly
since then, I have become more comfortable with
telepathic communication. I have become more adept at
understanding Airl's thoughts as though they are my own.
Somehow, her thoughts become my thoughts. Her emotions
are my emotions. However, this is limited by her
willingness and intention to share her own, personal
universe with me.  She is able to be selective about
what communication I am allowed to receive from her.
Likewise, her experience, training, education,
relationships and purposes are uniquely her own.

This is the symbol of "The Domain"
The Domain is a race or civilization of which Airl, the
alien I interviewed, is an officer, pilot and engineer
serving in The Domain Expeditionary Force. The symbol
represents the origin and unlimited boundary of the
known universe, united and integrated into a vast
civilization under the control of The Domain.
Airl is currently stationed at a base in the asteroid
belt which she refers as a "space station" in the solar
system of Earth. First and foremost, Airl is herself.
Secondarily, she voluntarily serves as an Officer, Pilot
and Engineer in The Domain Expeditionary Force. In that
capacity she has duties and responsibilities, but she is
at leave to come and go as she pleases also.
Please accept this material and make it known to as many
people as possible.  I repeat that it is not my
intention to endanger your life with the possession of
this material, nor do I really expect you to believe any
of it either. However, I do sense that you can
appreciate the value that such knowledge may have to
those who are willing and able to face the reality of
Mankind needs to know the answers to questions which are
contained in these documents.  Who are we?  Where did we
come from?  What is our purpose on Earth? Is Mankind
alone in the universe?  If there is intelligent life
elsewhere why have they not contacted us?
It is vital that people understand the devastating
consequences to our spiritual and physical survival if
we fail to take effective action to undo the long-
standing and pervasive effects of alien intervention on
Perhaps the information in these documents will serve as
a stepping stone to a better future for Mankind. I hope
that you can be more clever, creative and courageous in
the distribution of this information than I have been.
May The Gods Bless You and Keep You.
Mrs. Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy
Senior Master Sergeant
Women's Army Air Force Medical Corp, Retired
100 Troytown Heights
Navan, Meath
Co. Meath, Ireland

Chapter One
My First Interview With The Alien


“By the time the alien had been returned to the base I had already spent several hours with her. As I mentioned, Mr. Cavitt told me to stay with the alien, since I was the only person among us who could understand her communication. I could not understand my ability to “communicate” with the being. I had never before that time experienced telepathic communication with anyone.

The non-verbal communication I experienced was like the understanding you might have when a child or a dog is trying to get you to understand something, but much, much more direct and powerful! Even though there were no “words” spoken, or signs made, the intention of the thoughts were unmistakable to me. I realized later that, although I received the thought, I did not necessarily interpret it’s meaning exactly.

I think that the alien being was not willing to discuss technical matters, due to the nature of her position as an officer and pilot with the duty to maintain the security and confidentiality required by her own “unit” or organization. Any soldier who is captured by the “enemy” in the line of duty has a responsibility to withhold vital information, even in the face of interrogation or torture, of course.

But, in spite of that, I have always felt that the alien being was not really trying to hide anything from me. I just never got that feeling. Her communication always seemed honest and sincere to me. But, I suppose you can never know for sure. I definitely feel that I shared a unique “bond” with the alien. It was a kind of “trust” or empathy that you have with a patient, or a child. I think this is because the alien could understand that I was really interested in “her” and had no harmful intention, nor would I allow any harm to come to her, if I could prevent it. This was true too.

I refer to the alien as “her”. Actually, the being was not sexual in any way, either physiologically or psychologically. “She” did have a rather strong, feminine presence and demeanor. However, in terms of physiology, the being was “asexual” and had no internal or external reproductive organs. Her body was more like the body of a “doll” or “robot”. There were no internal “organs”, as the body was not constructed of biological cells. It did have a kind of “circuit” system or electrical nervous system that ran throughout the body, but I could not understand how it worked.

In stature and appearance the body was quite short and petite. About a 40 inches tall. The head was disproportionately large, relative to arms, legs and torso, which where thin. There were three “fingers” on each of two” hands” and “feet” which were somewhat prehensile. 22 (Footnote) The head had no operational “nose” or “mouth” or “ears”. I understood that a space officer does not need these as space has no atmosphere to conduct sound. Therefore, sound related sensory organs are not built into the body. Nor does the body need to consume food, hence, the absence of a mouth.

The eyes were quite large. I was never able to determine the exact degree of visual acuity of which the eyes were capable, but I observed that her sense of sight must have been extremely acute. I think the lenses of the eyes, which were very dark and opaque, may also have been able to detect waves or particles beyond the visual spectrum of light. 23 (Footnote) I suspect that this may have included the full range of the electromagnetic spectrum, 24 (Footnote) or more, but I do not know this for sure.

When the being looked at me her gaze seemed to penetrate right through me, as though she had “x-ray vision”. 25 (Footnote) I found this a little embarrassing, at first, until I realized that she had no sexual intentions. In fact, I don’t think she ever even had the thought that I was male or female.

It become very obvious after a short time with the being that her body did not require oxygen, food or water or any other external source of nutrition or energy. As I learned later, this being supplied her own “energy”, which animated and operated the body. It seemed a little bit eerie at first, but I got used to the idea. It’s really a very, very simple body. There is not much to it, compared to our own bodies.

Airl explained to me that it was not mechanical, like a robot, nor was it biological. It is animated directly by her as a spiritual being. Technically, from a medical standpoint, I would say that Airl’s body could not even be called “alive”. Her “doll” body is not a biological life form, 26 (Footnote) with cells, and so forth.

It had a smooth skin, or covering which was gray in color. The body was highly tolerant to changes in temperature, atmospheric conditions, and pressure. The limbs were quite frail, without musculature. In space there is no gravity, 27 (Footnote) so very little muscle strength is needed. The body was used almost entirely on space craft or in low, or no-gravity environments. Since Earth has a heavy gravity, the body was not able to walk around very well as the legs were not really suited to that purpose. The feet and hands were quite flexible and agile however.

Over night, before my first interview with the alien, the area had been transformed into a buzzing hive of activity. There were a dozen men working on setting up lights and camera equipment. A motion picture camera and microphone and a tape recorder was there also set up in the “interview room”. (I don’t understand why a microphone was needed, since there was no verbal communication possible with the alien.) There was also a stenographer 28 (Footnote) and several people busily typing on typewriters.

I was informed that an expert foreign language interpreter and a “code breaking” team had been flown to the base during the night to assist with my efforts to communicate with the alien. There were also several medical personnel — specialists in various fields — to examine the alien. And, a professor of psychology was there to help formulate questions and “interpret” the answers. As I was just a nurse, I was not considered to be a “qualified” interpreter, even though I was the only one there who could understand anything the alien was thinking!

There were many subsequent conversations between us. Each “interview” resulted in an exponential increase in understanding between us, as I will discuss later on in my notes. This is the first transcript with the answers to a list of questions provided to me by the intelligence officer at the base which I debriefed to the stenographer immediately following the interview.”

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2 thoughts on “The Alien Interview from 1947

  1. “Airl”, not “Aril”.

    “During July and August of 1947 she interviewed an extraterrestrial being who she identifies as “Airl”, and whom she claims was and continues to be an officer, pilot and engineer who was recovered from a flyer saucer that crashed near Roswell, New Mexico on July 8th, 1947.”

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